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Do I really live in a world where US troops invaded an Iranian embassy and took hostages? (Calling them prisoners doesn't make it sound one whit better.) Was this only possible because Ted Koppel is no longer anchoring Nightline?

(The discussion may now dissolve into a muck of detail about embassies vs. consulates vs. who knew what and when they knew it, why the Kurds didn't think it was a good idea, and most of all, how this Doesn't Matter at All in the grand scheme of things. Knock yourselves out. But anyone who isn't at least a little alarmed by the ironic symmetry has no sense of poetry.)

Re: Not an Embassy or Consulate

Date: 2007-01-12 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsgov.livejournal.com
Yeah, it started with Sam Donalson, who didn't sneer as much.

I find it slightly amazing how a bust of a bunch of weapons dealers gets this kind of spin.

Re: Not an Embassy or Consulate

Date: 2007-01-12 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lydy.livejournal.com
Yeah, it started with Sam Donalson, who didn't sneer as much.

Not exactly, no. It started as an update on the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Per Wikipedia, the first anchor was Frank Reynolds, but it's Koppel everyone remembers. Heck, you should be fond of Nightline, since it was the primary cause of Jimmie Carter's defeat.

Re: Not an Embassy or Consulate

Date: 2007-01-15 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsgov.livejournal.com
At the time, I didn't like it when Jimmy Carter was being beat up for the crime of being a Democratic president who wasn't a Kennedy.

Now, of course, he's on the Moslem payroll and utterly impossible.

Re: Not an Embassy or Consulate

Date: 2007-01-17 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lydy.livejournal.com
Now, of course, he's on the Moslem payroll and utterly impossible.

I really wasn't going to do this, but you've totally pissed me off.

Do you have any hard evidence of money flowing from a Moslem group that supports terrorism (not a legitimate Moslem government, mind) to Jimmy Carter? I do not believe that you do.

Re: Not an Embassy or Consulate

Date: 2007-01-17 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsgov.livejournal.com
I'm not quite certain how "terrorism" got mixed into this discussion.

What I said was that Carter is taking money from Moslems; left unstated was that helps explain his latest excursion into screwing up the Middle East, which was all over the news for the past two weeks.

As you may have read, a group of board members from his Carter Center resigned en masse last week in protest over Carter's book. At least one board member stated that to their own personal knowledge — having been in the room at the time — Carter was inventing history to support his contentions. All the people who resigned found Carter's book so utterly repugnant that it was time to leave his foundation.

Carter is accepting millions in acknowledged money from Moslem governments and foundations; the resigning board members asked that his come clean on all his sources of money.

Given the long history of official, state-supported terrorism and state-supported antisemitism by Moslem governments, I don't quite see what distinction you're attempting to draw. They paid Carter; Carter's book pays them back.

Re: Not an Embassy or Consulate

Date: 2007-01-17 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsgov.livejournal.com
And what the heck are you doing up at 2AM, anyway? I get up in the mornings at 4AM...

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